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Children and Young People Committee |
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Meeting Venue: |
Committee Room 1 - Senedd |
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Meeting date: |
Wednesday, 28 November 2012 |
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Meeting time: |
09:30 - 11:31 |
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Concise Minutes: |
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Assembly Members: |
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Christine Chapman (Chair) Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Witnesses: |
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Leighton Andrews, Minister for Education and Skills Anthony Jordan, Welsh Government Simon Morea, Welsh Government Ceri Planchant, Welsh Government |
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Committee Staff: |
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Elizabeth Wilkinson (Clerk) Kath Thomas (Deputy Clerk) Sarah Sargent (Deputy Clerk) Gwyn Griffiths (Legal Advisor) |
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1. Introductions, apologies and substitutions
1.1 There were no apologies or substitutions.
1.2 The Chair welcomed the Minister for Education and Skills and his officials to the meeting.
2. School Standards and Organisation (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 - Consideration of Amendments
2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:
Section 65:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 65 was deemed agreed.
Section 66:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 66 was deemed agreed.
Section 67:
Amendment 52 – Leighton Andrews
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Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 52 was agreed. |
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Amendment 53 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 53 was agreed. |
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Amendment 54 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 54 was agreed. |
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Amendment 55 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 55 was agreed. |
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Amendment 56 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 56 was agreed. |
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Amendment 57 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 57 was agreed. |
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Amendment 58 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 58 was agreed. |
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Amendment 59 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 59 was agreed. |
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Amendment 194 – Angela Burns
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 194 was not agreed. |
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Sections 68 and 69:
Amendments 60 to 66 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
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Amendments 60-66 were agreed. |
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Amendment 67 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Insert New Section:
Amendment 195 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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8 |
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Amendment 195 was not agreed. |
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As Amendment 195 was not agreed, Amendment 196 (Angela Burns) fell.
Section 70:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 70 was deemed agreed.
Section 71:
As Amendment 195 was not agreed, Amendment 197 (Angela Burns) fell.
Amendment 68 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
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Amendment 68 was agreed. |
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Section 72:
Amendment 69 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
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Amendment 69 was agreed. |
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Insert New Section:
Amendment 198 – Angela Burns
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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8 |
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Amendment 198 was not agreed. |
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Section 73:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 73 was deemed agreed.
Section 74:
As Amendment 198 was not agreed, Amendments 199 and 200 (Angela Burns) fell.
Amendment 70 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
As Amendment 198 was not agreed, Amendment 201 (Angela Burns) fell.
Sections 75 to 82:
Amendments 71 to 77 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendments 71-77 were agreed. |
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Amendment 202 – Angela Burns
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
0 |
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8 |
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Amendment 202 was not agreed. |
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Section 83:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 83 was deemed agreed.
Section 84:
Amendment 78 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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Amendment 78 was agreed. |
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Amendment 79 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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Amendment 79 was agreed. |
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Section 85:
Amendment 172– Simon Thomas
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For |
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 172 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 150 (Aled Roberts) was not moved.
Amendment 80 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 204 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 204 was not agreed. |
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Section 86:
Amendments 205 and 206 (Angela Burns) were not moved.
Amendment 151– Aled Roberts
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 151 was not agreed. |
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Section 87:
Amendments 173 and 174 (Simon Thomas) were not moved.
Section 88:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 88 was deemed agreed.
Section 89:
Amendment 152 (Aled Roberts) was withdrawn.
Amendment 208 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Amendment 208 was not agreed. |
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As Amendment 208 was not agreed, Amendment 214 (Angela Burns) fell.
Section 90:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 90 was deemed agreed.
Section 91:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 91 was deemed agreed.
Section 92:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 92 was deemed agreed.
Section 93:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 93 was deemed agreed.
Section 94:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 94 was deemed agreed.
Section 95:
Amendment 81 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 81 was agreed. |
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Amendment 209 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies Aled Roberts
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Simon Thomas |
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Amendment 209 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 210 – Angela Burns
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For |
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Amendment 210 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 82 to 85 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendments 82-85 were agreed. |
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Amendment 153 – Aled Roberts
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Abstain |
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Suzy Davies Angela Burns Aled Roberts
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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Jocelyn Davies Simon Thomas
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Amendment 153 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 211 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Amendment 211 was not agreed. |
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Section 96:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 96 was deemed agreed.
Section 97:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 97 was deemed agreed.
Section 98:
Amendment 86 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 86 was agreed. |
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As Amendment 36 was agreed, Amendments 212 and 213 (Angela Burns) fell.
Section 99:
Amendment 87 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 88 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 88 was agreed. |
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Amendment 89 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 89 was agreed. |
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As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 175 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Section 100:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 100 was deemed agreed.
Section 101:
Amendment 90 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 91 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 92 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Schedule 1:
Amendment 93 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 94 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Schedule 2:
Amendments 95 – 97 Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendments 95-97 were agreed. |
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Schedule 3:
As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 176 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Amendment 98 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 98 was not agreed. |
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As Amendment 146 was not agreed, Amendment 154 (Aled Roberts) fell.
Amendment 155 – Aled Roberts
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies Aled Roberts
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Simon Thomas |
0 |
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7 |
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Amendment 155 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 99 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Christine Chapman Suzy Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone |
Jocelyn Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Amendment 99 was agreed. |
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Amendment 100 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Christine Chapman Suzy Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone |
Jocelyn Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Amendment 100 was agreed. |
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As Amendment 146 was not agreed, Amendment 156 (Aled Roberts) fell.
Schedules 4 to 6:
Amendment 101 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendments 102 – 139 Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
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Amendments 102-139 were agreed. |
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2.2 The Chair advised that all sections and schedules of the Bill had been agreed by the Committee and, as all amendments had been disposed of, Stage 3 would commence from 29 November 2012.
2.3 Under Standing Order 26.27, Members agreed that the Welsh Government should prepare a revised Explanatory Memorandum.